May 4, 2007

WITH TAURUS

HERE WE'VE LANDED

AND HERE WE'LL STAND

POSSESSING WHAT WE SEE

AND NOT LETTING GO

UNLESS IT RETURNS

May 5, 2007

Question: Hi Tony, I went in to your website and looked at your theory of exactitudes. It was interesting and it makes sense that the exact degrees of any two given planets would also be exact what ever the system being used. I am aware that the coming together of any two people, who are destined to form an important relationship, would have natal planets forming important aspects with each others charts by progressions. But what do you mean by "Progress the mother's natal chart to the time and location of the child's birth" Does this mean create a new chart for the mother, using the place of Childs birth as location and progress it to that time? 

Answer: Hi Monica there are two types of progressed charts (1) natal and (2) relocated. A progressed chart is the birth chart recalculated to a time in the future. The time in the future can be the same place as where the person was born or a place they have moved to.

You asked “what do you mean by " Progress the mother's natal chart to the time and location of the child's birth"”

Ok progress the mother’s chart to the time of the child’s birth and you will have three charts (1) the mother’s natal (2) the mother’s progressed chart (3) the child’s natal. What I am saying is there will be exactitudes between all three charts. The exactitudes that the mother shares with the child natal to natal will be the places of unspoken understanding that then become part of the mother child bond. The mother’s progressed chart tells the present circumstances the mother is in. The child’s natal chart cannot make a stronger transit statement to the mother than birth interaction so the child’s chart will exactitude to both the mothers natal and progressed chart.

The fathers chart can also be factored in. The father’s natal chart will have exactitudes to the child’s natal chart but the father’s progressed chart may not interact with the child’s natal chart unless the father is playing a significant role at the time of the child’s birth. The progressed chart is where the person is by time and space. The father’s progressed chart may find him on another continent and perhaps not in communication with the mother. The father may not know he is a father so his progressed chart will act independently of the child.

May 6, 2007

Question: I am in the process of trying out a relocation chart for myself and I have relocated and located back from my birth place. But I still need to get one thing clear.

For a Re- location chart - do I.....

A.  create a new chart taking the new place's longitudes and latitudes and using the time and date of the day I moved there?

Or

B.  Create a new chart using the new place's longitudes and latitudes and using my date & time of birth and then progress this chart to the date when I moved to the new place?

Answer: Hi Monica a very good discussion to spring clean my astrological brain.

To progress a chart the simple answer is that your second example “Create a new chart using the new place's longitudes and latitudes and using my date & time of birth , and then progress this chart to the date when I moved to the new place?” seems to work ok.

There are two simple formulas that the software companies use (1) relocate and progress or (2) progress and relocate.

These formulas are supposed to give the same result but I have not always found that to be the case.

The basic method as I learned it was to count down the number of years in the Ephemeris at the rate of one day per year. A progressed chart at age 8 would be the chart for the 8th day after birth (Secondary Progressions)

If the chart is for the birth location, then make the same location adjustments you made to the birth chart and you have the progressed chart at exactly the 8th birthday.

You can then extrapolate from the birth date to another date in the year using daily motion. The Sun in one day will move approximately 60 minutes of arc or one degree. So by progression the Sun will move one degree or 60 minutes of arc in one year.

If you relocated to a location that was 12 hours (via time zones) to the West or East you effect the progressions by 6 months either before or after the place of birth.

The Transits affecting the Progressed chart would be almost the same East or West save for local variations due to Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Mars having fast daily motions.

The Transit chart would interact with the natal chart almost the same but the relocated progressed chart will be different from the non relocated chart.

May 7, 2007

Question: I understand that exactitudes are powerful, but doesn't it make any difference what houses/ signs they're in, considering the fact that it is possible that the house/signs changes from one system to another. Would exactitudes be so powerful in themselves that their position in the various charts doesn’t matter? Wouldn't the over all interpretation change?

Answer: Exactitudes by themselves are somewhat neutral rather than powerful. It is the planets involved that create the power. The exactitude is the place of power transference. That is why I place great importance on the apparent motion of the planets involved as the retrograde energy is difficult.

The sign that the planet is in tells how it is happening while the house tells where it is happening. Due to overlapping systems the how and where may be foggy.

The interpretation is based on the system used. If two people in two different languages ask a baker for a loaf of bread and the baker understands both then the end result is a common denominator namely a loaf of bread being given to each person.

Each chart is correct to the system used and all systems are systems of a greater whole. Each chart is showing a different perspective of a moment.

May 11, 2007

Question: How can we see from a chart if a person will be more on control of the events taking place in a person’s life? Is it just Saturn or are there other factors too? Please enlighten. What about people who’s lives have changed dramatically like Oprah Winfrey who had a very abusive child hood and the went on to become one of the richest women in the USA . Breaking all the glamour world rules by being black, a woman, over weight and not particularly pretty. What determined her inner beauty being more predominant in a superficial world of TV? What kind of a chart does she have? 

Answer: When talking about control astrologically you are talking about Saturn. Where Saturn is placed in the astrological chart will give the area the control will manifest itself both by astrological house and astrological sign. To me the most important role Saturn will play is in its interaction with other planets within the birth chart. You have mentioned Oprah Winfrey; with Oprah Winfrey you have given me an easy example. She was born according to www.astrodatabank.com the leading web authority on astrological chart accuracy, Jan 25, 1954, 4:30 am CST + 6:00, Kosciusko, MS, 33N03 27  89W35 16. So where is her Saturn? Saturn 09Scorpio03 in the 11^Th House. Does she have any exactitudes (exact degree angular interaction)? Yes Sun 09Aquarius00 and Venus 08Aquarius55. This three way exactitude is very precise and very powerful.

Oprah also has her North Node 23Capricorn56 and Chiron 23Capricorn35 again another powerful Saturn/Capricorn statement.

Oprah has her Rising Sign at 29Sagittarius41 just minutes away from a Capricorn (Saturn) Rising and certainly a strong Capricorn cusp.

Sometimes astrology is very clear as in the case of Oprah. For other rich people it may be different astrological configurations due to the money coming at birth or by gaining a rich partner.

Bottom line Saturn controls money and in this world that is power. Money itself is Virgo. while the holding of money is Taurus.

Astrologically karma is 12^th House Pisces stuff, the end of the 12 sign journey and all the accumulations gathered. Karma can be looked at in two ways (1) karma we are born with (I am not a big fan of inheriting bad stuff when I don’t remember why) (2) karma created by our actions in this life

May 12, 2007

Question: Tony, thanks for your comments on Oprah's chart

 I logged on to the web link and had a look at opera's chart, which was interesting!  As an amateur this is what stood out to me the most.

The first house, which is basically Capricorn, its ruler is in the eleventh. The 11th house basically stands for groups friends etc. but in eastern astrology the eleventh house is the most Brilliant house, it represents HUGE GAINS, ABUNDANCE. It's said that Any planet in the 11th house can only produce benefic results. 

Now the ruler of the eleventh house (Scorpio) is Mars, which is also in the eleventh in its own sign. Scorpio being the most intense and passionate sign. Mars = Energy and in this case very powerful energy. Mars is making a trine aspect with Uranus, a planet of sudden release of energy. Therefore intense positive energy is being indicated here.

In eastern astrology, Saturn is also said to be the ruler of Aquarius. If we go by that, then the 2nd house 9 (income) and Venus sun & mercury are also deposited by Saturn and again the same powerful positive energy is being symbolized in Income & Gains houses.

In Vedic astrology, mars is the only planet that aspects the 4th house and the 8th house from its position, so it aspects the 2nd and 6^th. 

In Eastern Vedic astrology, planetary connections between the 1st, 2nd, 5th, 9th, 10th & 11th houses make the chart powerful

Sorry that I have applied eastern rules on a western chart.  I know this is technically wrong but I found it amazing that it was still making sense, feel free to comment.

Answer: You say “I have applied eastern rules on a western chart.  I know this is technically wrong but I found it amazing that it was still making sense, feel free to comment.”

I do not consider mixing the rules technically wrong. In my Theory of Exactitudes I advocate the interaction between different types of zodiacs.

You say “in eastern astrology the eleventh house is the most Brilliant house, it represents HUGE GAINS, ABUNDANCE. It's said that Any planet in the 11th house can only produce benefic results.” I do not see any conflict with western thinking for the 11^th house except eastern astrology has added more Jupiter. The 11^th house is Aquarius the storehouse of knowledge. As to any planet in the 11^th getting a benefic charge that is the same as western astrology giving positive status to the 11^th house and Aquarius.

You say “Mars is making a trine aspect with Uranus, a planet of sudden release of energy. Therefore Intense positive energy is being indicated here.” I see Mars at 23Scorpio35 and Uranus at 20Cancer13rx. This is outside the range of exactitudes with 3 degrees and 22 minutes of separation and increasing as Mars moves forward and retrograde Uranus retreats from the angular interaction. Mars makes exactitude contact with Chiron 23Capricorn35 and North Node 23Capricorn56

You say “In eastern astrology, Saturn is also said to be the ruler of Aquarius.” Since in western astrology Saturn rules Capricorn and the 10^th house it looks like the difference is an overlap issue that doesn’t recognize Uranus.

May 13, 2007

Question:  “Oprah's square aspect between Sun and Saturn are very positive, yes.”

Answer: Not quite I said “they are 90 degrees apart and from an aspects point of view this is a square and should be negative or difficult.”

It is just an exactitude waiting to be fueled by passing planets that are giving or taking energy via Apparent Motion.

Here are two more quotes:

“The way I am viewing Exactitudes at this time decides there is no lesser and greater. What I mean here is that a square Exactitude and a trine Exactitude and a semi-sextile Exactitude are viewed just as an Exactitude or Energy of Life Force being transferred, with the Exactitude being the identifier of transference. The magnitude and type of the transference is due to the characteristics of the moving bodies involved and their Apparent Motion.”  And “To be clear I am separating angular interaction from aspects.” (From:  A Theory of Exactitudes located on the Theories Page.)

Well here I could have been clearer and said I am separating angular interaction via exactitude from aspects.

May 14, 2007

Question: Tony, you say that Saturn ' controls money' so to have money, does this mean that a good Saturn is necessary? If it's well placed and well aspected money would be easily obtained. And vice versa money would be hard to attain

And Virgo 'is money' how come? So does this mean that the house that Virgo is corresponds with, is the department of life where money will come from or spent or what?

 Answer: As to Saturn being the control of money I go to basics. Of Fire, Earth, Air and Water it is the practical Earth signs that represent money. The cardinal Capricorn leads the way while fixed Taurus holds ground and Virgo disburses money power. A strongly interacted Saturn is necessary to want to control power and wealth. Planets in earth signs show abilities related to money.

May 18, 2007

Question: I know the role of the transits chart; it basically compliments/ fine tunes, the results of the natal + progressed chart.

But out of the 'natal chart' and 'progressed chart', what importance would you give each of them, for the role they play?

For instance, a number from 1-10.

Is it crucial for the natal chart to be powerful, or can some one attain the same with out having such a powerful natal chart, but due to powerful progressions taking place?

Answer: It is all about the magic of free will, how we choose to grasp a moment. Grasping a moment is awareness. The Natal Chart is for sure the springboard that we enter life with and the life tools we have to work with. Where the Progressed Chart fits will be like this. In Oprah’s chart her Sun is 09Aquarius00. Since via Secondary Progression her Sun will progress one degree per year by the age of 21 her progressed Sun will be (approximately) 00Pisces00 thus a change. Now apply a 3 degree (3 year) cusp and you have from the ages of 18 to 24 as a time of zodiacal sign transition. At the age of 51 (approximately) she will via progression have her sun at 00Aries00. Again allow the 3 year cusp and from ages 48 to 54 will be another time of zodiacal sign transition. The moon will change zodiacal signs every 30 months (approximately). Other planets due to speed may never change signs in a persons life while others will change direction due to apparent motion.

Since a tropical chart shows the sun approximately 25 degrees ahead of the Sidereal sun the timing of progressions will be quite different. Example today Tropical Sun 18Aries38 while the Sidereal Sun is back at 23Pisces50. The tropical sun will lead the way through the zodiac followed by a sidereal sun. The progressed difference here is at age 11 the tropical person will be at 00Taurus00 and at age 6 the sidereal person will be at 00Aries00. It is quite possible the child will have a life change at both ages 11 and 6. Each system may be right but without a blending of both sidereal and tropical neither is complete.

May 19, 2007

Question: I have only looked into western and Indian Vedic astrology. In fact I have read more western astrological books.  I started out with just sun signs, and then jumped straight on to 'The astrologers hand book.'  Signs, Houses, Planets & Aspects were fine; but when it came to interpretation and timing of events, the western system got too confusing with all the different charts systems. Then there was another chart for progressions and another one for transits all the aspects between the natal chart the progression chart and the transits chart, was all too much. Too tediously complicated. I then discovered the Vedic system for general interpretation it was enough for me. Timing of events was all calculated in a systematic way, based on the exact degree and sign placement of the moon, at the time of birth.  Each planet has a ruling period and within that period all plants have sub periods. By looking at the main periods and sub periods, it was easy to see the area of life that was most dominant at that time, by where those planets where placed in the natal chart and how well they were placed and aspect. I initially rejected this system since there was no logical explanation given on its working. But when I applied it.  It seemed to work, so there was no reason to reject it. Besides it had been tried and tested for thousands of years.

 Till recently I had thought that the difference between western chart system (Tropical) and the Eastern chart system (sidereal) Had some thing to do with the fact that the universe was expanding; and that the eastern system was more in line with the changes and that the western system, due to the general popularity of sun signs, had not changed at all. I remember some years back there was a huge debate among Astrologers on this issue. But on reading one of your recent postings about the difference between eastern systems and western chart systems in response to some one else asking the same question, my confusion got cleared up too. You say that whether we use a tropical chart or sidereal, the house and planets generally remain the same and only the signs change, well that only happens when we use the equal house system. If the placidus system is used then even the planets change houses, which can be very discouraging if your planets move from good houses to not so good ones! 

You say that "  Uranus, Pluto and Neptune are slightly overlooked in eastern astrology and that can be seen in the cultures of the east that have not embraced Uranus as North America with its space age philosophy.

From my western point of view the eastern philosophy is more Capricorn in its sternness" I know exactly what you're saying here. But I beg to differ slightly. - Eastern philosophies are very Aquarius and Pisces in nature, IT"S the Interpretation and Incorporation of them in very Capricorn type cultures & societies, that colors the philosophies giving them a Capricornish appearance.  I guess this is a bit like Saturn ruling Capricorn and co ruling Aquarius and if Saturn represents the philosophy and Capricorn and Aquarius represent two types of societies. Then the sign placement of Saturn determines how the same philosophies are interpretation and expressed. The Aquarius society would go far deeper in and discover freedom of individual thought.  While the Capricorn society would take all the disciplinarian & structuring factors from that same philosophy. 

Answer: Your "basic knowledge" is just fine. My point about the 11th house was to say that both eastern and western systems are saying the same kind of thing about the house placement. Both systems have the same House placement in common. When comparing Sidereal and Tropical systems the Houses will remain the same as will the planets in the house just the zodiacal sign on the house cusp will be different. There will be many times when both sidereal and tropical have the same planet in the same house and in the same sign. The degrees are the difference. 

When you say eastern astrology are you referring to Arabic astrology or Vedic astrology?

As to Saturn being karmic and having learnt lessons yes but that is due to Capricorn having the life experience of all the preceding signs with the strongest being mother Cancer. The North Node and Chiron was my point. The North Node is considered the strongest karmic Node and with an exactitude conjunction to Chiron this is important.

I give Chiron Libra like qualities while crowds and gatherings are strongly agitated by Chiron.

You say that Uranus, Pluto and Neptune are slightly overlooked in eastern astrology and that can be seen in the cultures of the east that have not embraced Uranus as North America with its space age philosophy. From my western point of view the eastern philosophy is more Capricorn in its sternness.

Oprah's Jupiter to me is Jupiter 16Aquarius39rx and MC (the moist elevated degree in the zodiac) 17Libra25.

Most of the current retrograde work I have done has been on non-natal charts but when I did do natal charts people came to see me when they were being affected by a transiting retrograde pattern. The retrograde planet in the chart will show an area where work is required to keep pace and if Jupiter then weight comes into play. The natal retrograde may be the place where a person must overcome to survive. 

As to using exact degrees that is the way my astrology has developed. If out of the exactitude range then I would use a more freeform astrology such as Jupiter in Aquarius Retrograde. 

When I used Trines and Squares etc then 3 degrees seemed a fair Orb. I have seen some use 5 and 7 degree Orbs. A wide orb denotes a lot of lead time to the event. If it had been a Retrograde Mercury and a Direct Jupiter then the angular interaction is forming rather than finishing.

The Eleventh House is the benefactor of the efforts of the Tenth House.

May 20, 2007

Question: “I accept that, you cannot go ardently by rules, in an abstract science like astrology, since so much symbolism is at play, But then, how is one to know when to defy the rules and when not to?”

May 21, 2007

Question:  “I have noticed that you give a lot of importance to apparent motion.”